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Post by Whitakker on Jan 30, 2005 0:48:39 GMT -5
A part of me knows full well that I've opened up a can of worms with this topic. Nevertheless, I'll do it anyway. I'm Christian Conservative, a rare breed in Washington.
So how's about it, eh?
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Post by Argis on Jan 30, 2005 15:57:29 GMT -5
Voting by party is just stupid & ignorant, thats just like you Conservatives though. Science can't advance if you guys think every thing's the "devil" and "satan's spawn" .Rednecks, big business, along with confused mis-guided morons, make the conservative party. Thanx... have a stupid day. ;D
PS: Most conservatives rule by fear. (cough cough: Joseph McCarthy, Bush Senior, Bush Junior, Richard Nixon, Thomas Jefferson, and then there's the Salem Witch Trials.) Thanks conservatives for crapping up the world since FOREVER. Bye now, see ya in the apocolypse.
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Post by Dimitri on Jan 30, 2005 16:02:17 GMT -5
I have Christian conservative views, but I also think that people should be open-minded about somethings. It's just like Zelda-creator Shigeru Miyamoto said: "Videogames are bad for you? That's what they said about rock music." Also, I am not a redneck. Most of my musical and writing influences are old british rockers and stoners, which rednecks dispise. On a more pesonal note...DEATH TO THE MOCKERIES OF MUSIC THAT ARE COUNTRY AND REDNECK ROCK!!!!! Thank you. ;D Anyway, politics suck and only 5 people in the universe understand them, and since they understand them, it's obvious that none of them are world leaders.
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Post by Whitakker on Jan 30, 2005 20:07:47 GMT -5
Argis, I created this poll to see who the members of this board sided with, and for them to hopefully state why they give their support to them. It was not my intention in any way to allow people to bash any other party out of spite towards them. But this is the kind of crap I've come to expect from your feeble logic. Please, delete that eyesore of a post poste haste, and shove any further political complaints you have where the sun doesn't shine. Thank you for being lame.;D
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Post by Dimitri on Jan 30, 2005 20:29:06 GMT -5
You're one to talk about feeble logic. You just finished talking about not bashing people, and what do you do? You turn around and insult someone. Oh, is it different when you do it? Is it not bashing? Well, it works two ways. You suck. THE END. It's people like you who give conservatives a bad name. Like rednecks and rich preps.
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Post by Whitakker on Jan 30, 2005 20:56:20 GMT -5
It's worth noting that I was not "bashing" any political party, only rebuking a singular individual for being obtuse. And by the way, it's not exactly that I label myself a Conservative, its just that, coincidentally, they have the same values that I do. That's why I support them wholeheartedly. Trust me, you'll know when I start "bashing" things.
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Post by Argis on Jan 31, 2005 13:59:11 GMT -5
It's worth noting that I was not "bashing" any political party, only rebuking a singular individual for being obtuse. And by the way, it's not exactly that I label myself a Conservative, its just that, coincidentally, they have the same values that I do. That's why I support them wholeheartedly. Trust me, you'll know when I start "bashing" things. that’s bull your just a Full on god concretive tell me something how do you know your pleasing god and I was not bashing you yet I merely just stated my idea on the subject and how conservatives are. P.S. Don't say he talks to you may think he does but I have heard it before from a guy in Milledgeville Georgia There is some bashing those who understand politics hate it
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Post by Nicholi on Jan 31, 2005 14:14:41 GMT -5
I would like to ask everyone not to make comments assaulting someone's religion. I am directly refering to the last part of Argis's previous statement. Keep this in mind and we should not have another minor issue such as this.
I like that quote Dimitri, I actually posted that on the quotes thread.
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Post by Whitakker on Jan 31, 2005 19:32:48 GMT -5
I was not accusing you of bashing me, Argis, I was accusing you of bashing the Conservative view, and bashing parties is something I will not allow on this thread. If you want to go whine about how horrible Conservatives are, then make your own thread. I'll say this once more: I want you to choose one of the selections, and state why you support them. That's all. Is that too much to ask for?
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Post by Rune on Jan 31, 2005 21:21:11 GMT -5
To put this back on topic... I think politics is a fancy word for entertainment. Because that's all it is now. People are entertained when they can argue about which 'party' they vote for, and when they have their big chance to give their one vote. But really, it's not about parties... a 'true' democracy would not be so concerned as to which party, but which candidate. And we rarely vote for the best candidate. There are some people who do things right, and go for who they believe in. But there are others who are more interested in choosing a party and sticking to it... seriously, if Adolf Hitler were a Christian Conservative (sorry, I chose this party just because of the irony in the statement, it's just an example ), in this post-Holocaust world, many people would still vote for him because, hey, I'm a Christian Conservative and that's how I have to vote. *cheesy grin* Oh, by the way, Bob, your guy just killed off all of the black people and Jews. *Oops* *Indifferent shrug*. P.S. The Prohibition Party! WOOT! They get like 100 votes every year... that's less people than those that work in the party itself hehehe.
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Post by Whitakker on Feb 1, 2005 7:45:20 GMT -5
Well put, Rune. I truly do vote for what I believe, but it's like I said earlier, the Conservatives and I are on the same page. So I think its convenient. But not all liberals are bad, and not all conservatives are good. There are a few rotten apples in every group that make them bad in the opposing eye.
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Post by Thanatos on Feb 2, 2005 16:53:49 GMT -5
A note concerning this topic's creation: it seems unfair to list Independents and Green Party separately, as the Green Party is just one of the countless Independent organizations. It would have been more advisable to have created an "other" category in addition to conservative and liberal. In fact, conversative and liberal are just vague ideas--there are conservative Democrats as well as liberal Republicans. (look at McCain and Zel Miller) But I digress...
I would definitely classify my own viewpoints as diehard liberal, primarily because I detest both ignorance and stagnantation, two things which I believe the Neo-Republican party are bringing to America in greater and greater quanities. I also absolutely despise our current Hannibal Lector of English, George W. Bush, but I won't even go there.
My concern lies much more in the strength of government than in a few scattered tax breaks amongst the upper class. I am currently reading "Homegrown Democrat," a delightful book by Garrison Keillor, one of the leading liberal voices on Capitol Hill. Keillor presents a particularly excellent contrast between the two parties when he describes the emergency relief in a primarily Democratic city when compared to much more Republican-dominated areas; there was as much as a 28-minute difference in how quickly emergency vehicles reached people in aid. This was due entirely to the dissolution of many goverment agencies by Republicans that is taking place at this very moment, as well as a freezing of vital funds.
I'm not a baby-killer, and I'm certainly not trying to destroy God's place in society. As Keillor explains, an individual that quietly lives a life of Christ while striving to defend others is much more of a Christian than someone that advertises their belief, caring more for conversion and creating the illusion of kindness than actually taking the time to help their fellow Man.
When anti-abortion activists spend as much time volunteering in orphanages, asylums, and death wards for these unwanted and often-times diseased children, then I might see some legitimacy in their arguments. When the ban on embryotic stem cell research is lifted and untold millions cured of otherwise fatal conditions, then I may be able to breath a little easier. And when we finally halt this ridiculous modern Crusade into the Holy Land, then I may finally be at peace.
I don't want my country to fall to ruin, flooded with ignorance and short-sightedness. I'm going to resist idiocy wherever I am able, and if this makes me a Democrat, then so be it.
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Post by Whitakker on Feb 2, 2005 22:06:57 GMT -5
That's a perfect example of the type of posts I want on this thread, that and Rune's. Thanatos presented why he supported the liberal view, and stayed with his topic. Thank you, Thanatos, for your opinion.
I am a conservative, because, as I have said, my beliefs coincide with theirs. Something about the conservative view just always made perfect sense to me and was sincere, whereas the liberal view always seemed fake to me, as if they were masking what they truly felt. Though I would be most intrigued to see that particular text Thanatos described about emergency situations. Sounds interesting. I support stem cell research, but not at the cost of human life. Umbilical stem cell research is a perfectly acceptable alternative. As for GW, I will say this one thing, and then leave it alone. Just because he talks slow, doesn't mean he thinks slow. But I still like making fun of him, despite the fact that I support him 100%. As for Thanatos' "Crusade"(the war I believe), I think that America underestimated Hussein's intelligence. It is entirely possible(and very likely) that Hussein shipped out all of his weapons to other countries(Syria, Yemen, take your pick, they all hate us), and could've done it without our knowledge. But still, there was one WMD that remained, and that was Hussein. No one knows how many innocent civilians he slaughtered. The Iraqis who wanted him out had no power to do so, so they asked us. We kindly obliged. But I digress. In short, if you do some real digging and research into today's Conservatives, I think you'll like what you see. As for Christianity in politics, I will choose not to venture there, for fear of losing my composure.
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Post by Rune on Feb 2, 2005 22:22:54 GMT -5
George Bush does have a way with words... and it is NOT pretty lol... But I will give him this much - he may not be the best with words (understatement, lol... WE WILL HAVE A DRAFT! AND THEN... WAIT, WHAT? HUH? OH, YEAH... UM... WE WILL NOT HAVE A DRAFT! OOPS...), but GW has one thing going for him. He gets things done. Even if he makes a decision that may not be the best, he holds to it, and carries through with it. He's not like so many other, should we say, wishy-washy politicians... Republican, Democratic, Independent, and Crusaders ... who can't seem to make up their mind. Nothing ever gets done. With him, it gets done... not always perfect, but at least something happens, some progress is made.
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Post by Thanatos on Feb 3, 2005 17:26:30 GMT -5
Excellent! I sleep comfortably at night with the knowledge that a retarded and misguided ignoramus gets things done, instead of those overly hyped thinking politicians. I mean, this is the 21st century...who needs *them*?
No offense intended towards Rune, but I really want a better opposing argument as to why my country is being decimated before my eyes.
Adult stem cell harvesting does not produce the same stem cells as embryos; this is something people do not understand. Adult stem cells are fixed and unalterable, while embroytic stem cells can be shaped into every existing human cell type. Also bear in mind that once a stem cell line is brought into existence, it can continue breeding until it is corrupted. This allows one embryo to treat untold thousands.
It's heartless, certainly--but logical. Ten or less lives in order to save tens of thousands makes sense, and it makes more sense when one realizes that the very 'life' of embryos is still an open issue.
As soon as adult stem cells possess the same flexibility and general adaptability of embryotic stem cells, I'll fully support a ban on something that's really no better than murder. Until that time, however, I remain a staunch defender of the practice, from purely the numerical viewpoint.
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